wow we really dodged a bullet bubba USA USA ! Do you live of hedge fund profits i a gated community Karen? Life in China being shit doesn't make the failure of capitalism in the USA any better.
Hey Bubba Kevin, your Soviet dodge was convoluted, son. China ain't Soviet and that's why you couldn't even grok the basics. Enroll in Remedial 1st Grade, boi.
one may proceed to note that "soviet" refers to a system of workers' councils, called soviets, as was seen in soviet russia (there's some argument about whether the soviets did soviets right, but I ain't touching THAT can of worms) as such, being soviet is not required for being communist, though I wouldn't call china communist.(there ARE articles claiming china is turning away from "get rich first" nonsense to "common prosperity" but idk how much of that is PR bullshit) one may mention the term "state capitalist" (the aforementioned russia critics did in their critcism of soviet russia) that said, both china and the USA have massive wealth gaps and a lot of poverty, so maybe they're more similar than they claim?
The difference between me and the theorists is that I don't refer to theory because it's all imaginary bunkum. When I say "Soviet" with a capital letter you know damn well I ain't talking about what's been theorized on paper--it's what we actually got to deal with.
Whatever theory you conjure up, you're going to find human beings to corrupt whatever Great Plans you concoct because human beings always exploit loopholes and corrupt stuff. Equally, everywhere, in all countries. Deal with it.
Any country that self-identifies as Communist is Communist whether or not they match any harebrained theory sporting the same title.
I hold similar position when anyone tells me somebody is or is not a true Christian when all that's required to be Christian is self-identification as a believer in Christ. If you identify yourself to me as something, I firmly believe that you believe that you are that thing you identified yourself as.
also none of this is relevant to the original point, that being to subtly imply that many of the things derided as the "consequences of communism" can already be found in present day america, without communism, and that perhaps such things are not truly "consequences of communism". to which you argue "but China is also terrible" whichdoesn't address the original point? you appear to be consistently arguing against claims, such as "countries which claim to be communists are automatically great" and "china is soviet" which nobody in this argument has made. try not to project other people onto us. I'm aware it's human nature, but it's rather rude and does you no favours.
...and I just realized that the thread link was a local link so here's a link to the Daily Beast article which illustrates in full color what I meant by Soviet dodge. If you didn't live through the Cold War, you wouldn't understand without a primer.
furthermore, as for "Any country that self-identifies as Communist is Communist", what the fuck? If I self-identified as yur wife, would I be? let us not be ridiculous. once again, the original point concerned said "harebrained theory sporting the same title" if your definition of "Communist" has nothing to do with Communism as a theory, your arguments against communism/socialism are also irrelevant to said theory, and thus to the original post. As for christianity: If a man claimed to be christian, but wished to, for example, make it illegal for parents to tell their children about jesus, would you not find this suspicious?
"Any country that self-identifies as Communist is Communist whether or not they match any harebrained theory sporting the same title.' Gibberish on a truly Trumpian level.Having a criticism of a theory or practice is valid but just making up something like this converts everything into nonsense.Your Pavlovian response to any criticism of capitalism, assuming the critic is a Marxist Leninist or Maoist is ignorant & childish, especially when the critic (me) has explained clearly their position. insulting & blocking greyshely for what were valid criticisms of your comments , delivered in a respectful way is is pathetic.
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in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •USA USA ! Do you live of hedge fund profits i a gated community Karen? Life in China being shit doesn't make the failure of capitalism in the USA any better.
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in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •as such, being soviet is not required for being communist, though I wouldn't call china communist.(there ARE articles claiming china is turning away from "get rich first" nonsense to "common prosperity" but idk how much of that is PR bullshit)
one may mention the term "state capitalist" (the aforementioned russia critics did in their critcism of soviet russia)
that said, both china and the USA have massive wealth gaps and a lot of poverty, so maybe they're more similar than they claim?
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in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •The difference between me and the theorists is that I don't refer to theory because it's all imaginary bunkum. When I say "Soviet" with a capital letter you know damn well I ain't talking about what's been theorized on paper--it's what we actually got to deal with.
Whatever theory you conjure up, you're going to find human beings to corrupt whatever Great Plans you concoct because human beings always exploit loopholes and corrupt stuff. Equally, everywhere, in all countries. Deal with it.
greyshley
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •who tf are you arguing with there?
Clara Listensprechen
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •Clara Listensprechen
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •Any country that self-identifies as Communist is Communist whether or not they match any harebrained theory sporting the same title.
I hold similar position when anyone tells me somebody is or is not a true Christian when all that's required to be Christian is self-identification as a believer in Christ. If you identify yourself to me as something, I firmly believe that you believe that you are that thing you identified yourself as.
greyshley
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •to which you argue "but China is also terrible" whichdoesn't address the original point?
you appear to be consistently arguing against claims, such as "countries which claim to be communists are automatically great" and "china is soviet" which nobody in this argument has made.
try not to project other people onto us.
I'm aware it's human nature, but it's rather rude and does you no favours.
Clara Listensprechen
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •It's relevant to your subsequent comments, tho, and since your previous comment a post came along that would 'splain stuff to you, and I re-shared it.
social.outsourcedmath.com/dispβ¦
Clara Listensprechen
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in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •...and I just realized that the thread link was a local link so here's a link to the Daily Beast article which illustrates in full color what I meant by Soviet dodge. If you didn't live through the Cold War, you wouldn't understand without a primer.
thedailybeast.com/russias-hilaβ¦
greyshley
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •If I self-identified as yur wife, would I be?
let us not be ridiculous.
once again, the original point concerned said "harebrained theory sporting the same title"
if your definition of "Communist" has nothing to do with Communism as a theory, your arguments against communism/socialism are also irrelevant to said theory, and thus to the original post.
As for christianity:
If a man claimed to be christian, but wished to, for example, make it illegal for parents to tell their children about jesus, would you not find this suspicious?
greyshley
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •russian internal policy does not necessarily reflect the belief of some random person on the internet.
Clara Listensprechen
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in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •donsimon
in reply to ππππππ π³οΈββ§οΈ • • •Gibberish on a truly Trumpian level.Having a criticism of a theory or practice is valid but just making up something like this converts everything into nonsense.Your Pavlovian response to any criticism of capitalism, assuming the critic is a Marxist Leninist or Maoist is ignorant & childish, especially when the critic (me) has explained clearly their position. insulting & blocking greyshely for what were valid criticisms of your comments , delivered in a respectful way is is pathetic.
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